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''This is mainly describing Nahoc's 18.87 TAS since the two improvements since have been lost.'' | ''This is mainly describing Nahoc's 18.87 TAS since the two improvements since have been lost.'' | ||
The current route begins by heading the normal direction most players would, but triple jumps into the corner below and to the right of [[Roll into the Cage]]. This is followed by two normal wall kicks, and then a [[glitchy wall kick]] to keep the same direction to dive towards the [[Get a Hand|Get a Hand star]] cubby. After landing in the cubby, a long jump into a wall kick is done immediately to reach the [[cog]] for another wall kick. Worth noting, this cog position is where it is due to the random setting cog of the clock, which therefore requires [[RNG]]. This forces precise work to have it in the needed range. | The current route begins by heading the normal direction most players would, but triple jumps into the corner below and to the right of [[Roll into the Cage]]. This is followed by two normal wall kicks, and then a [[Glitchy Wall Kick|glitchy wall kick]] to keep the same direction to dive towards the [[Get a Hand|Get a Hand star]] cubby. After landing in the cubby, a long jump into a wall kick is done immediately to reach the [[cog]] for another wall kick. Worth noting, this cog position is where it is due to the random setting cog of the clock, which therefore requires [[RNG]]. This forces precise work to have it in the needed range. | ||
Wall kicking off the cog, there is a precise wall kick off the cage around the Roll into the Cage star to get on top. Upon landing, another long jump into a wall kick is executed, which leads into another glitchy wall kick. The glitchy wall kick provides a better angle to be able to jump off the [[pendulum]] (which is also where it is due to RNG). This jump off the pendulum is led into by a speed kick-double jump combo that allows the jump off the pendulum to be a triple jump. This triple leads into yet another wall kick that lands on the cage beneath [[Timed Jumps on Moving Bars]]. | Wall kicking off the cog, there is a precise wall kick off the cage around the Roll into the Cage star to get on top. Upon landing, another long jump into a wall kick is executed, which leads into another glitchy wall kick. The glitchy wall kick provides a better angle to be able to jump off the [[pendulum]] (which is also where it is due to RNG). This jump off the pendulum is led into by a speed kick-double jump combo that allows the jump off the pendulum to be a triple jump. This triple leads into yet another wall kick that lands on the cage beneath [[Timed Jumps on Moving Bars]]. | ||
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Stomp on the Thwomp has been known as a difficult star for the A button challenge for a long time, and for this reason it is often excluded from early lists. bobmario511 was the first known person to route and perform a TAS for the star, producing 4 over a period of one month. Having gotten the count to 15 presses, bobmario511 was fairly certain the route was maxed, and felt comfortable with the TAS. | Stomp on the Thwomp has been known as a difficult star for the A button challenge for a long time, and for this reason it is often excluded from early lists. bobmario511 was the first known person to route and perform a TAS for the star, producing 4 over a period of one month. Having gotten the count to 15 presses, bobmario511 was fairly certain the route was maxed, and felt comfortable with the TAS. | ||
Since this point, pannenkoek2012 and the rest of the ABC team have worked to improve this star, and have saved 12 A Presses. Stomp on the Thwomp in particular takes a lot of creative routing and problem solving, and combining these in a creative way to save A presses. In general, the routing usually focuses on efficient usage the two available bob-ombs, their two coins, the one-time pre-set HOLP, and the 100 coin star for | Since this point, pannenkoek2012 and the rest of the ABC team have worked to improve this star, and have saved 12 A Presses. Stomp on the Thwomp in particular takes a lot of creative routing and problem solving, and combining these in a creative way to save A presses. In general, the routing usually focuses on efficient usage the two available bob-ombs, their two coins, the one-time pre-set HOLP, and the 100 coin star for a [[Star Dance Clip]] (SDC). | ||
{{ABC_History}} | {{ABC_History}} | ||
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Getting to the second level of the clock (by the first clock hand) cannot be done going through the main pathway without pressing A. This is avoided by using the spinners, instead. So with this in mind, the current route goes up these spinners every time it needs to go up to the second level. | Getting to the second level of the clock (by the first clock hand) cannot be done going through the main pathway without pressing A. This is avoided by using the spinners, instead. So with this in mind, the current route goes up these spinners every time it needs to go up to the second level. | ||
At the second level, getting onto the area with the cogs is a more difficult task and requires using a | At the second level, getting onto the area with the cogs is a more difficult task and requires using a SDC via a 100 coin star to get past. This is an issue here, though, as Mario only has access to 36 coins from the second level down. Luckily, this can be overcome using [[cloning]] and the line of coins along the higher pole. Not so luckily, this means having to navigate the spinners on the random setting while carrying a bob-omb 64 times. This is an incredibly time consuming and monotonous task, and takes roughly 20 minutes per coin.<ref>[https://youtu.be/ozLIz8j-y68 "TTC TASing a Coin Clone on Random Setting" by pannenkoek2012]</ref> For this reason, work is usually done to avoid redoing the cloning, typically by just setting a different HOLP and reusing the old first section of the TAS. Since this cloning will update the HOLP, a bob-omb is insta-released first to the HOLP, for later usage. | ||
Once all 64 coins have been cloned, another clone must be used to place a fire clone before the ledge leading to the cogs. A single | Once all 64 coins have been cloned, another clone must be used to place a fire clone before the ledge leading to the cogs. A single SDC is not enough height to reach the ledge, but a fire burn into a SDC is. To avoid immediately burning on the fire clone, it is placed carefully using the hand to push Mario out of the way.<ref>[https://youtu.be/upzprhsB9D0 "TTC To Cogs 0x Using 1 Fire Clone" by pannenkoek2012]</ref> With the fire clone set, the ! block containing three coins above the second is broken, and one of the coins is cloned. This allows the 100 coin star to be placed in a spot that allows the SDC without needing a bob-omb to still have its coin. At this point, the set-up is complete and Mario can now burn and clip up to the area near the cogs. | ||
[[File:Pendulum Box Pedro Spot.png|300px|thumb|right|The pendulum box pedro spot.]] | [[File:Pendulum Box Pedro Spot.png|300px|thumb|right|The pendulum box pedro spot.]] | ||
Now with access to the cogs, Mario can simply dive recover until he reaches the top. At this point, a special maneuver termed "cog misa" is utilized. Mario conserve vertical speed onto the highest cog using one of the cog's misalignments, allowing him to reach the walkway to Roll into the Cage (which normally is too high to reach without an A press).<ref>[https://youtu.be/7eK2yszTfyA "Cog Misalignment (A press save SOON!)" by DeRockProject & the Attack of the Really Long Channel Name]</ref> This maneuver allows Mario to get past the cogs without any presses, something that required a bob-omb and the HOLP prior to this maneuver. | Now with access to the cogs, Mario can simply dive recover until he reaches the top. At this point, a special maneuver termed "cog misa" is utilized. Mario conserve vertical speed onto the highest cog using one of the cog's misalignments, allowing him to reach the walkway to Roll into the Cage (which normally is too high to reach without an A press).<ref>[https://youtu.be/7eK2yszTfyA "Cog Misalignment (A press save SOON!)" by DeRockProject & the Attack of the Really Long Channel Name]</ref> This maneuver allows Mario to get past the cogs without any presses, something that required a bob-omb and the HOLP prior to this maneuver. | ||
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== Potential ABC Improvements == | == Potential ABC Improvements == | ||
=== Random Cog Pedro Spot === | === Random Cog Pedro Spot === | ||
There is a known pedro spot that is used in the still-setting world record in between the first two cogs while they are still. This pedro spot also exists on the moving clock settings, and has potential usage on the random setting. A route with the pedro spot on random would combine most of the positives of both current world records- it would be able to go up the spinners and | There is a known pedro spot that is used in the still-setting world record in between the first two cogs while they are still. This pedro spot also exists on the moving clock settings, and has potential usage on the random setting. A route with the pedro spot on random would combine most of the positives of both current world records- it would be able to go up the spinners and SDC onto the cog area while also jumping up to the higher area with the thwomp. Depending on how ideal of an angle is used, it could either allow Stomp on the Thwomp to drop to either one or two A presses.<ref>[https://youtu.be/S0q3_toE3b4 "TTC Pedro Spot on Cogs during Random Setting" by pannenkoek2012]</ref> | ||
Initially, pannenkoek did calculations for the viability of this strategy, and came up with astronomically small likelihoods of success. This was due to needing roughly 1200 consecutive frames with calls, all with a one in seven chance. The strat was essentially declared dead at this point, and ruled as infeasible.<ref>[https://youtu.be/X4k5NGUjTWs "TTC Pedro Spot on Cogs Update" by pannenkoek2012]</ref> About a year later, Iwer Sonsch brought up the point that through small angle oscillations, Mario can stay in the pedro spot with less RNG calls. These small angles gradually grow over time (since Mario's speed is growing as well) and allow largely and larger angle oscillations until the spot becomes stable. This managed to drop the total from around 1200 RNG calls to about 80 or so. The analysis also showed that there was more than just one route (completely still) to work with, which opened other opportunities to aim for to increase the likelihood of there being a configuration that works.<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/SM64ABC/comments/6pnkwt/ttc_pedro_spot_on_random_setting_via_oscillations/ "TTC Pedro Spot on Random Setting via Oscillations (Blueprint)" by Iwer Sonsch]</ref> Additionally since the release of pannenkoek's video, pendulum manipulation was discovered. This technique opens an incredibly large number of possible TTC states, magnitudes greater than what earlier calculations used giving the strategy even greater potential odds. | Initially, pannenkoek did calculations for the viability of this strategy, and came up with astronomically small likelihoods of success. This was due to needing roughly 1200 consecutive frames with calls, all with a one in seven chance. The strat was essentially declared dead at this point, and ruled as infeasible.<ref>[https://youtu.be/X4k5NGUjTWs "TTC Pedro Spot on Cogs Update" by pannenkoek2012]</ref> About a year later, Iwer Sonsch brought up the point that through small angle oscillations, Mario can stay in the pedro spot with less RNG calls. These small angles gradually grow over time (since Mario's speed is growing as well) and allow largely and larger angle oscillations until the spot becomes stable. This managed to drop the total from around 1200 RNG calls to about 80 or so. The analysis also showed that there was more than just one route (completely still) to work with, which opened other opportunities to aim for to increase the likelihood of there being a configuration that works.<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/SM64ABC/comments/6pnkwt/ttc_pedro_spot_on_random_setting_via_oscillations/ "TTC Pedro Spot on Random Setting via Oscillations (Blueprint)" by Iwer Sonsch]</ref> Additionally since the release of pannenkoek's video, pendulum manipulation was discovered. This technique opens an incredibly large number of possible TTC states, magnitudes greater than what earlier calculations used giving the strategy even greater potential odds. | ||