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== August 4, 2015 == | == August 4, 2015 == | ||
Pannenkoek2012 put a $1000 bounty on the glitch. It was thought to be an unknown hangable ceiling glitch. The hypothesis was later superceded by the random bit flip hypothesis. (See August 5, 2015)<br> | |||
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5cwuYFUUAY<br> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5cwuYFUUAY<br> | ||
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5cwuYFUUAY (description)<br> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5cwuYFUUAY (description)<br> | ||
Pannenkoek2012: "The random bit flip hypothesis shown in this video is just the current leading hypothesis. Before that, it was the ceiling seams, and before that the bob-omb/explosion/coin, and before that landing on the platform/wall at the same frame. Frankly, a gamma ray happening to flip a particular bit seems a bit far-fetched to me. It's completely possible that some in-game mechanic treats the height float like an integer and decrements it, thus decreasing that bit from a 1 to a 0, in which case the glitch would be reproducible, and the bounty would be awarded to the person who submits that. The bounty is not rewarded for hypotheses as to what caused the upwarp, otherwise the bob-omb or ceiling hypotheses would have "solved" it long ago."<br> | |||
Following that was | Following that, ECC was discussed. See: September 16, 2018<br> | ||
See: September 16, 2018<br> | |||
== August 8, 2016 == | == August 8, 2016 == | ||
Dane | Dane created a program that made frame perfect TASing easier, by overlaying the video on top of the emulator to compare frame by frame.<br> | ||
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD1-b3-60xY<br> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD1-b3-60xY<br> | ||
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"LilithFaery: It happened to me once when i was playing this game for the first time maybe. Well i was still very young and i couldn't understant what had just happened... and i think i died because i panicked."<br> | "LilithFaery: It happened to me once when i was playing this game for the first time maybe. Well i was still very young and i couldn't understant what had just happened... and i think i died because i panicked."<br> | ||
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https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/6uxwdj/til_theres_1000_on_the_line_for_anyone_who_can/<br> | https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/6uxwdj/til_theres_1000_on_the_line_for_anyone_who_can/<br> | ||
== May 8, 2017 == | == May 8, 2017 == | ||
upwarp_pole channel | The #upwarp_pole channel was created in the discord server "SM64 TASing and ABC", and Pannen put 3 of his main videos regarding the topics there.<br> | ||
== May 12, 2017 == | == May 12, 2017 == | ||
Notchmath | Notchmath talked of doing a full frame perfect TAS run of Dota_Teabag's speedrun.<br> | ||
== October 1, 2017 == | == October 1, 2017 == | ||
Sidney | Sidney made a synced audio version of the upwarp footage.<br> | ||
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLQQPKXPx94<br> | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLQQPKXPx94<br> | ||
== February 21, 2018 == | == February 21, 2018 == | ||
Dota_Teabag (TeabagSRL) | Dota_Teabag (TeabagSRL) commented on the bitflip video, and suggested it could've been a cartridge tilt.<br> | ||
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"For what its worth (This is Dota_Teabag), I often had to tilt my cartridge weird ways in order to get the game to start. It seemed if i had it all the way pressed down sometimes it wouldn't start, but if i pulled it up on one side ever so slightly, it would start just fine. So if you think that is a possible factor, it is worth considering that fact."<br> | "For what its worth (This is Dota_Teabag), I often had to tilt my cartridge weird ways in order to get the game to start. It seemed if i had it all the way pressed down sometimes it wouldn't start, but if i pulled it up on one side ever so slightly, it would start just fine. So if you think that is a possible factor, it is worth considering that fact."<br> | ||
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== June 4, 2018 == | == June 4, 2018 == | ||
Dane sucessfully | Dane sucessfully got Dota to deliver the N64 and Mario game for hardware testing.<br> | ||
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SM64 TASing and ABC discord - #upwarp_pole<br> | SM64 TASing and ABC discord - #upwarp_pole<br> | ||
== July 29, 2018 == | == July 29, 2018 == | ||
The tests | The tests on Dota's cartridge took place. Dane couldn't recreate the upwarp on Dota's console. Basic mulmul tests were also performed.<br> | ||
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Info on Mulmul here: | Info on Mulmul here: | ||
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== September 16, 2018 == | == September 16, 2018 == | ||
ECC | ECC was discussed as it would disprove the bitflip hypothesis. More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECC_memory<br> | ||
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Some confusion occurred after users used the VR4400 manual to assume ECC exists in VR4300 too. (VR4300 is the processor used by the N64) It was later discovered that VR4300 didn't have ECC.<br> | Some confusion occurred after users used the VR4400 manual to assume ECC exists in VR4300 too. (VR4300 is the processor used by the N64) It was later discovered that VR4300 didn't have ECC.<br> | ||
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According to the [http://datasheets.chipdb.org/NEC/Vr-Series/Vr43xx/U10504EJ7V0UMJ1.pdf "VR4300, VR4305, VR4310 64-Bit Microprocessor User Manual"],<br> | |||
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"VR4300 does not have a parity check function, however, its parity error register | "VR4300 does not have a parity check function, however, its parity error register | ||
(26) and cache error register (27) do not practically operate. These registers are | (26) and cache error register (27) do not practically operate. These registers are | ||
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"Because the VR4300 does not check data by using a cache parity, a parity error | "Because the VR4300 does not check data by using a cache parity, a parity error | ||
exception does not occur."<br> | exception does not occur."<br> | ||
== September 29, 2018 == | == September 29, 2018 == | ||
A bruteforcer was proven to work to find a glitch where the racing penguin slid off the slide. They tried the same | A bruteforcer was proven to work to find a glitch where the racing penguin slid off the slide. They tried the same program for the TTC upwarp, but it wouldn't reproduce the glitch.<br> | ||
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"This situation is similar to that surrounding the TTC upwarp glitch in that we had footage of the glitch being done, but not a TAS recreation of it. But in this case, we actually were able to reproduce the glitch just from footage of it, whereas the TTC upwarp glitch still hasn't been reproduced. For the record, we've also tried brute forcing the TTC upwarp, but that didn't end up reproducing the glitch."<br> | "This situation is similar to that surrounding the TTC upwarp glitch in that we had footage of the glitch being done, but not a TAS recreation of it. But in this case, we actually were able to reproduce the glitch just from footage of it, whereas the TTC upwarp glitch still hasn't been reproduced. For the record, we've also tried brute forcing the TTC upwarp, but that didn't end up reproducing the glitch." - Pannen, description from [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpnBKNZ2YUs CCM Racing Penguin Falling Off the Slide]<br> | ||
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https://github.com/danebou/Fuzzy64 (Bruteforcer source code)<br> | https://github.com/danebou/Fuzzy64 (Bruteforcer source code)<br> | ||
https://clips.twitch.tv/AlertStrangeMetalRiPepperonis (original video)<br> | https://clips.twitch.tv/AlertStrangeMetalRiPepperonis (original video)<br> | ||
Revision as of 02:32, 15 May 2019
September 21, 2013
Dota_Teabag performed an upwarp glitch.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/40802459 (original highlight)
https://youtu.be/TTh3LY-5KKg (full archived stream)
August 4, 2015
Pannenkoek2012 put a $1000 bounty on the glitch. It was thought to be an unknown hangable ceiling glitch. The hypothesis was later superceded by the random bit flip hypothesis. (See August 5, 2015)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5cwuYFUUAY
August 5, 2015
The random bit flip hypothesis was introduced in this video, labeled the current leading hypothesis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5cwuYFUUAY (description)
Pannenkoek2012: "The random bit flip hypothesis shown in this video is just the current leading hypothesis. Before that, it was the ceiling seams, and before that the bob-omb/explosion/coin, and before that landing on the platform/wall at the same frame. Frankly, a gamma ray happening to flip a particular bit seems a bit far-fetched to me. It's completely possible that some in-game mechanic treats the height float like an integer and decrements it, thus decreasing that bit from a 1 to a 0, in which case the glitch would be reproducible, and the bounty would be awarded to the person who submits that. The bounty is not rewarded for hypotheses as to what caused the upwarp, otherwise the bob-omb or ceiling hypotheses would have "solved" it long ago."
Following that, ECC was discussed. See: September 16, 2018
August 8, 2016
Dane created a program that made frame perfect TASing easier, by overlaying the video on top of the emulator to compare frame by frame.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD1-b3-60xY
https://github.com/danebou/TTC-Upwarp-Overlay (the program's source code)
August 21, 2017
A user on Reddit claimed to have done the TTC upwarp.
"LilithFaery: It happened to me once when i was playing this game for the first time maybe. Well i was still very young and i couldn't understant what had just happened... and i think i died because i panicked."
https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/6uxwdj/til_theres_1000_on_the_line_for_anyone_who_can/
May 8, 2017
The #upwarp_pole channel was created in the discord server "SM64 TASing and ABC", and Pannen put 3 of his main videos regarding the topics there.
May 12, 2017
Notchmath talked of doing a full frame perfect TAS run of Dota_Teabag's speedrun.
October 1, 2017
Sidney made a synced audio version of the upwarp footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLQQPKXPx94
February 21, 2018
Dota_Teabag (TeabagSRL) commented on the bitflip video, and suggested it could've been a cartridge tilt.
"For what its worth (This is Dota_Teabag), I often had to tilt my cartridge weird ways in order to get the game to start. It seemed if i had it all the way pressed down sometimes it wouldn't start, but if i pulled it up on one side ever so slightly, it would start just fine. So if you think that is a possible factor, it is worth considering that fact."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5cwuYFUUAY (comment section)
June 4, 2018
Dane sucessfully got Dota to deliver the N64 and Mario game for hardware testing.
SM64 TASing and ABC discord - #upwarp_pole
July 29, 2018
The tests on Dota's cartridge took place. Dane couldn't recreate the upwarp on Dota's console. Basic mulmul tests were also performed.
Info on Mulmul here:
"Bug: Back-to-Back Floating Point Multiplies May Give Incorrect Results (R4300 Bug)"
https://web.archive.org/web/20180810105528/https://level42.ca/projects/ultra64/Documentation/man/developerNews/news-02.html
On May 2019, the following was said regarding these tests:
dane: "Yeah boot gave me a hardware test. Nothing ever turned up. But at some point we can do more advanced testing."
bad_boot: "Tbf that hardware test was more of a test to make sure I know how to write hardware tests. It tested a pretty limited subset of things that we should test. Like just some basic mulmul tests, but no other interesting fp combos, no dma stuff"
September 16, 2018
ECC was discussed as it would disprove the bitflip hypothesis. More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECC_memory
Some confusion occurred after users used the VR4400 manual to assume ECC exists in VR4300 too. (VR4300 is the processor used by the N64) It was later discovered that VR4300 didn't have ECC.
According to the "VR4300, VR4305, VR4310 64-Bit Microprocessor User Manual",
"VR4300 does not have a parity check function, however, its parity error register
(26) and cache error register (27) do not practically operate. These registers are
defined to maintain compatibility with the VR4200."
"Because the VR4300 does not check data by using a cache parity, a parity error
exception does not occur."
September 29, 2018
A bruteforcer was proven to work to find a glitch where the racing penguin slid off the slide. They tried the same program for the TTC upwarp, but it wouldn't reproduce the glitch.
"This situation is similar to that surrounding the TTC upwarp glitch in that we had footage of the glitch being done, but not a TAS recreation of it. But in this case, we actually were able to reproduce the glitch just from footage of it, whereas the TTC upwarp glitch still hasn't been reproduced. For the record, we've also tried brute forcing the TTC upwarp, but that didn't end up reproducing the glitch." - Pannen, description from CCM Racing Penguin Falling Off the Slide
https://github.com/danebou/Fuzzy64 (Bruteforcer source code)
https://clips.twitch.tv/AlertStrangeMetalRiPepperonis (original video)