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In Dire Dire Docks, Mario uses transition cloning glitch and hat-in-hand glitch to remotely place a pole clone at the HOLP.
 
In Dire Dire Docks, Mario uses transition cloning glitch and hat-in-hand glitch to remotely place a pole clone at the HOLP.
 
===Timed Jumps on Moving Bars (BitS → TTC 1)===
 
 
;Coordinates (x, y, z): (?, ?, ?)
 
;Corresponding Location (BitS): Far off the edge of the stone platform preceding the final wind-blowing platform, above the ramp
 
;Corresponding Location (TTC): High in midair above the rotating cubes, at the narrow slope leading to thin rotating platforms in height
 
;Video Link: https://youtu.be/FMA-zEznvMo
 
;Purpose: Allows Mario to clip through the cage from the rotating cubes using Bob-omb's backwards momentum, collecting the star "Timed Jumps on Moving Bars".
 
;HOLP setting restrictions: Reliant a prior HOLP to save time (see [[#Bowser in the Sky HOLP]])
 
;Alternatives availability: Pendulum Squish Cancel - exploiting the exposed ceilings of the Pendulum to ascend the bars (TAS currently not made)
 
 
In Bowser in the Sky, Mario reaches the topmost area and makes multiple trips to the stone platform carrying a Bob-omb, first setting the HOLP for the Goomba clone to bounce on and second to throw the bob-omb clone at the desired location, setting the HOLP.
 
 
In Tick Tock Clock, Mario uses Pause Buffer Hitstun to remotely throw a Bob-omb at the HOLP, in order for it to be reactivated when Mario reaches the rotating blocks near the "Timed Jumps on Moving Bars" cage. Mario uses backwards momentum to clip through.
 
 
Due to the discovery of Squish Cancel, Timed Jumps on Moving Bars can theoretically be completed without the HOLP. It is very likely to be faster than the BitS HOLP strat, due to the long setup time in BitS to reach the location for setting the HOLP.
 
  
 
===Stomp at the Thwomp (BitS → TTC 2)===
 
===Stomp at the Thwomp (BitS → TTC 2)===
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In Tick Tock Clock, Mario uses Pause Buffer Hitstun to remotely throw a Bob-omb at the HOLP, in order for it to be reactivated when Mario reaches the pendulum box. The thrown Bob-omb's explosion pushes Mario into the pedro spot, allowing Mario to begin building up speed.
 
In Tick Tock Clock, Mario uses Pause Buffer Hitstun to remotely throw a Bob-omb at the HOLP, in order for it to be reactivated when Mario reaches the pendulum box. The thrown Bob-omb's explosion pushes Mario into the pedro spot, allowing Mario to begin building up speed.
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Currently, there is a blueprint on how to skip using the HOLP entirely, but it has yet to be completed and TASed.
  
 
===Mario Wings to the Sky (BitS → BoB)===
 
===Mario Wings to the Sky (BitS → BoB)===
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In Bob-omb Battlefield, Mario uses the HOLP to perform transport cloning on Goombas, done by releasing the clone while a Goomba is being pushed by another. The pushee teleports to midway point between the HOLP and the pusher laterally, and at the HOLP's height. After the Goomba oasis is complete, Mario creates a Goomba staircase towards it and collect the secrets high in the air.
 
In Bob-omb Battlefield, Mario uses the HOLP to perform transport cloning on Goombas, done by releasing the clone while a Goomba is being pushed by another. The pushee teleports to midway point between the HOLP and the pusher laterally, and at the HOLP's height. After the Goomba oasis is complete, Mario creates a Goomba staircase towards it and collect the secrets high in the air.
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== Obselete HOLPs ==
  
 
===Obselete: Tick-Tock Clock Cogs (WDW → TTC 1)===
 
===Obselete: Tick-Tock Clock Cogs (WDW → TTC 1)===
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With the discovery of Pendulum Pedro Spot, Stomp to the Thwomp now uses fewer A presses, but it is vital that a remotely thrown Bob-omb via PBH is used. Therefore, this strat is obselete. Any star using the Sidney Spot can be completed without this HOLP as well, and it might be a time save at best for Roll into the Cage.
 
With the discovery of Pendulum Pedro Spot, Stomp to the Thwomp now uses fewer A presses, but it is vital that a remotely thrown Bob-omb via PBH is used. Therefore, this strat is obselete. Any star using the Sidney Spot can be completed without this HOLP as well, and it might be a time save at best for Roll into the Cage.
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===Timed Jumps on Moving Bars (BitS → TTC 1)===
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;Coordinates (x, y, z): (?, ?, ?)
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;Corresponding Location (BitS): Far off the edge of the stone platform preceding the final wind-blowing platform, above the ramp
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;Corresponding Location (TTC): High in midair above the rotating cubes, at the narrow slope leading to thin rotating platforms in height
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;Video Link: https://youtu.be/FMA-zEznvMo
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;Purpose: Allows Mario to clip through the cage from the rotating cubes using Bob-omb's backwards momentum, collecting the star "Timed Jumps on Moving Bars".
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;HOLP setting restrictions: Reliant a prior HOLP to save time (see [[#Bowser in the Sky HOLP]])
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;Alternatives availability: Pendulum Squish Cancel - exploiting the exposed ceilings of the Pendulum to convert Mario into freefall, allowing him to grab the bar
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In Bowser in the Sky, Mario reaches the topmost area and makes multiple trips to the stone platform carrying a Bob-omb, first setting the HOLP for the Goomba clone to bounce on and second to throw the bob-omb clone at the desired location, setting the HOLP.
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In Tick Tock Clock, Mario uses Pause Buffer Hitstun to remotely throw a Bob-omb at the HOLP, in order for it to be reactivated when Mario reaches the rotating blocks near the "Timed Jumps on Moving Bars" cage. Mario uses backwards momentum to clip through.
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Due to the discovery of Squish Cancel, Timed Jumps on Moving Bars can be completed without the HOLP. It is very likely to be faster than the BitS HOLP strat, due to the long setup time in BitS to reach the location for setting the HOLP.

Latest revision as of 13:44, 11 August 2019

Dumping things into this Sandbox and will be copied to other pages when ready. (Under construction)

List of HOLPs required in the ABC challenge 100% run

HOLP dependency chain of the current ABC 100% run

These HOLPs are used in the ABC 100% run, listed in order of the course number where the HOLP is set. These HOLPs are either significantly saves time or mandatory for the lowest A press count.

Secret Aquarium Entry (BoB → SSL)

Coordinates (x, y, z)
(4636, 3142, 1713)
Corresponding Location (BoB)
On top of the floating island, next to a tree and the buddy cannon platform
Corresponding Location (SSL)
High in midair above the sandy hills, close to the shell item block
Video Link
https://youtu.be/xL9HV6XyDBo
Purpose
Allows Mario to clone a shiny shell remotely. This is used for the speed conservation setup necessary for SA Entry.
HOLP setting restrictions
None
Alternatives availability
None (must be performed for the lowest A press count)

To set the HOLP in Bob-omb Battlefield, Mario releases a bloated Bob-omb at the top of the island, which can be reached by a bounce on a Goomba clone and backwards momentum of the Bob-omb.

In Shifting Sand Land, Mario throws a Bob-omb remotely using Pause Buffer Hitstun into the shell item block, allowing Mario to clone a shell. Mario then proceed to complete the hyperspeed setup and exits the course with 2132 speed conserved for the castle movement needed to reach the entrance to Secret Aquarium.

All procedures regarding Secret Aquarium Entry must be completed when Mario has 0 stars in order for the PSS star door message to appear, redirecting Mario's angle under hyperspeed. The alternative strategy, PU strat[1], requires multiple hours to complete and only works on Virtual Console, making it vastly inferior.

Top of the Fortress (BoB → WF)

Coordinates (x, y, z)
(1205, 4403, -2158)
Corresponding Location (BoB)
High in midair, above the slippery white slope between low ground and the mountain
Corresponding Location (WF)
Between the arrow-shaped island and tower platform, high in midair
Video Link
https://youtu.be/KMgCuoRQ4Fw
Purpose
The HOLP allows Mario to throw a cork box to himself, completing the setup for landing on the tower steps leading to the star "Top of the Fortress".
HOLP setting restrictions
None
Alternatives availability
None (must be performed for the lowest A press count)

To set the HOLP in Bob-omb Battlefield, Mario releases a Bob-omb in the air by touching a cloned bowling ball high above ground. The backwards momentum and one goomba clone in the air aids Mario in reaching the required location.

In Whomp's Fortress, Mario first spawns the 100 coin star at the edge of the lowest tower step. Next, Mario uses the hat-in-hand glitch to remotely throw a cork box, pushing him towards the 100 coin star while simultaneously dive recover to gain height. The Star Dance Clip activates, moving Mario onto the platform.

Pole-Jumping for Red Coins (WF → DDD)

Coordinates (x, y, z)
(4260, 998, -2045)
Corresponding Location (WF)
Off the edge of the second arrow-pointing brick platforms (closer to the Thwomp)
Corresponding Location (DDD)
In between two moving poles in midair, with caged walls on the sides
Video Link
https://youtu.be/gvQMNQlgu3s
Purpose
The HOLP allows Mario to place a pole clone between two poles, facilitating him at collecting the 2 red coins behind the cages.
HOLP setting restrictions
None
Alternatives availability
None (must be performed for the lowest A press count)

To set the HOLP in Whomp's Fortress, Mario carries a cork box, walks off the edge, and drops it while falling.

In Dire Dire Docks, Mario uses transition cloning glitch and hat-in-hand glitch to remotely place a pole clone at the HOLP.

Stomp at the Thwomp (BitS → TTC 2)

Coordinates (x, y, z)
(?, ?, ?)
Corresponding Location (BitS)
Slightly above the ramp leading to the final two elevators, next to a Keronpa Ball
Corresponding Location (TTC)
Midair above the mesh platform which is above the two pendulums.
Video Link
https://youtu.be/AN2CvTUyFCg
Purpose
Allows Mario to enter the pendulum box Pedro spot to build up speed for a boosted double jump to the Thwomp.
HOLP setting restrictions
Reliant a prior HOLP to save time (see #Bowser in the Sky HOLP)
Alternatives availability
None (must be performed for the lowest A press count)

In Bowser in the Sky, Mario reaches the topmost area and carries a Bob-omb to the stone platform, falling off the edge. The HOLP is set when Mario releases it just above the ramp below with a ground pound.

In Tick Tock Clock, Mario uses Pause Buffer Hitstun to remotely throw a Bob-omb at the HOLP, in order for it to be reactivated when Mario reaches the pendulum box. The thrown Bob-omb's explosion pushes Mario into the pedro spot, allowing Mario to begin building up speed.

Currently, there is a blueprint on how to skip using the HOLP entirely, but it has yet to be completed and TASed.

Mario Wings to the Sky (BitS → BoB)

Coordinates (x, y, z)
(3558, 5167, -166)
Corresponding Location (BitS)
Off the edge of one of the highest rotating elevator.
Corresponding Location (BoB)
A point several hundred units high above the floating island.
Video Link
https://youtu.be/vbWKnuW16L0
Purpose
Allows Mario to clone Goombas sufficiently with transport cloning, creating a Goomba oasis to collect the secrets very high up in the air.
HOLP setting restrictions
Reliant a prior HOLP to save time (see #Bowser in the Sky HOLP)
Alternatives availability
Setting the HOLP in RR (not efficient due to importance of RR → BitS HOLP), setting the HOLP within BoB (22 minutes to complete[2])

In Bowser in the Sky, Mario reaches the topmost area and multiple trips to one of the highest elevators carrying a Bob-omb, first setting the HOLP for the Goomba clone to bounce on and second to throw the bob-omb clone at the desired location, setting the HOLP.

In Bob-omb Battlefield, Mario uses the HOLP to perform transport cloning on Goombas, done by releasing the clone while a Goomba is being pushed by another. The pushee teleports to midway point between the HOLP and the pusher laterally, and at the HOLP's height. After the Goomba oasis is complete, Mario creates a Goomba staircase towards it and collect the secrets high in the air.

Obselete HOLPs

Obselete: Tick-Tock Clock Cogs (WDW → TTC 1)

Coordinates (x, y, z)
(254, 2374, -3571)
Corresponding Location (WDW)
A corner close to the highest water-level changer, at the edge of the course
Corresponding Location (TTC)
Out of bounds (opposite side of starting platform). Height is equivalent to the high tip of the narrow path leading to the thin rotating platforms
Video Link
https://youtu.be/YBwenkLF_H4
Purpose
Allows access of the platforms after the cogs without pressing A by using the Bob-omb (teleported to the HOLP using Instant Release and spawned at Mario's location due to a failsafe). Used for "Roll into the Cage" and "The Pit and the Pendulums".
HOLP setting restrictions
None
Alternatives availability
Cogs misalignment strat

To set the HOLP in Wet-Dry World, Mario holds a Chuckya and walk to the goal location. The HOLP's height is irrelevant.

In Tick Tock Clock, Mario uses Instant Release (teleporting the Bob-omb to HOLP's location at Mario's height) for later Bob-omb reactivation when Mario reaches the cog platforms, and then uses backwards momentum to navigate to the cage. For "Roll into the Cage", Mario uses VSC to reach the star inside the cage; for "The Pit and the Pendulums", Mario uses Hyper Speed Grinding on the treadmill and double jumps to higher areas.

With the discovery of Pendulum Pedro Spot, Stomp to the Thwomp now uses fewer A presses, but it is vital that a remotely thrown Bob-omb via PBH is used. Therefore, this strat is obselete. Any star using the Sidney Spot can be completed without this HOLP as well, and it might be a time save at best for Roll into the Cage.

Timed Jumps on Moving Bars (BitS → TTC 1)

Coordinates (x, y, z)
(?, ?, ?)
Corresponding Location (BitS)
Far off the edge of the stone platform preceding the final wind-blowing platform, above the ramp
Corresponding Location (TTC)
High in midair above the rotating cubes, at the narrow slope leading to thin rotating platforms in height
Video Link
https://youtu.be/FMA-zEznvMo
Purpose
Allows Mario to clip through the cage from the rotating cubes using Bob-omb's backwards momentum, collecting the star "Timed Jumps on Moving Bars".
HOLP setting restrictions
Reliant a prior HOLP to save time (see #Bowser in the Sky HOLP)
Alternatives availability
Pendulum Squish Cancel - exploiting the exposed ceilings of the Pendulum to convert Mario into freefall, allowing him to grab the bar

In Bowser in the Sky, Mario reaches the topmost area and makes multiple trips to the stone platform carrying a Bob-omb, first setting the HOLP for the Goomba clone to bounce on and second to throw the bob-omb clone at the desired location, setting the HOLP.

In Tick Tock Clock, Mario uses Pause Buffer Hitstun to remotely throw a Bob-omb at the HOLP, in order for it to be reactivated when Mario reaches the rotating blocks near the "Timed Jumps on Moving Bars" cage. Mario uses backwards momentum to clip through.

Due to the discovery of Squish Cancel, Timed Jumps on Moving Bars can be completed without the HOLP. It is very likely to be faster than the BitS HOLP strat, due to the long setup time in BitS to reach the location for setting the HOLP.
  1. SM64 - Go to The Secret Aquarium - 0x A Presses (VC Only) [OUTDATED], by pannenkoek2012: https://youtu.be/ujLjEbCykOQ
  2. BoB MWttS Faster HOLP Real-Time Comparison, by UncommentatedPannen: https://youtu.be/tKabwMxQ3Qo